A Few More Words

October 16, 2012 - 10:20 pm
Irradiated by LabRat
5 Comments

So there’s this internet kerfuffle going down, as they do. A Gawker writer decided to publicize the identity of a long-time Reddit mod whose range of activities have historically been mostly dominated to creating and maintaining all that is most awful about Reddit*: he was most famous for creating and maintaining r/jailbait, a subforum for trading sexualized pictures of minors taken from more or less wherever (which Reddit eventually shut down- after six years and with all evident regret), but also in a long highlight reel of subreddits devoted to enthusiasms for various racist and sexist subjects, including r/creepshots, a sub for sexualized candid photos of women taken on the sly**. The fellow has subsequently lost his job and is generally very sad about having been outed against his will.

Ken at Popehat has said about all I would have wanted to say about the subject, better than I would have, typically. So if you feel I’m missing a point, it’s probably because Ken has already covered it.

However, from what I’ve observed in discussions about the subject, there are a couple of points *I* want to hit.

1) As a principle, “protecting the worst of us to protect all of us” actually has its intended effect generally more rarely than people seem to think. But when, in the process of “protecting the worst of us”, you do so actively at the expense of innocent others (like, say, the children and women who had their pictures posted against their will specifically for creeps to fap to), you’re not “protecting the worst of us to protect all of us”, you’re just protecting the worst of us, period full stop.

2) Being offensive isn’t virtuous. Neither, for that matter, is being inoffensive, but making an internet career out of making as many people angry as possible isn’t some form of activism, it’s just being an asshole. Being an asshole isn’t and shouldn’t be against the law, but neither does it grant you any sort of moral standing of its own distinction for the act of being willing to offend people. Being willing to offend people to the ends of some moral goal is noble; going out of your way to offend people because that’s just funny to you is being an asshole. Being an asshole as your primary hobby will open you to a lot of purely social consequences, including an employer in an at-will state deciding that they wish to disassociate themselves from a notorious asshole. Do people deserve to lose their jobs for being an asshole in one area of their lives that has little or nothing to do with their jobs? Probably not. Do children deserve to have their pictures yanked off their Facebook for a coalition of creepazoids to make their masturbation fodder for the day, just because “the internet is public”? Also probably not. Pick a moral standing- “public is public”, both pictures and personal information, or “posting with a baseline expectation of privacy should be private”, but trying for both at the same time as favors you most will impress no one.

*Also training and helping new moderators. The fact that this has been brought up as an argument for “he’s not all bad!” rather than a warning bell tells you everything you need to know about Reddit culture.

**Because apparently it’s a painfully important distinction, he only moderated Creepshots, he didn’t create it and evidently didn’t contribute. So, y’know, he only moderated it. For the public good and all.

5 Responses to “A Few More Words”

  1. Old NFO Says:

    All your points are well made and correct… The ‘innocent’ are the REAL ones hurt by assholes like this.

  2. Spear Says:

    Your point number two needs to be stapled to people.

  3. Will Brown Says:

    A quibble, but an important one, I think.

    I suggest a modification of your point #1. I believe the principle you mention is better rendered as, “protecting the rights of the worst of us to protect the rights of all of us”. While we all do indeed have rights, being an asshole toward others* is not one of them. As well, abusing others by exercising your rights at their expense is also notably absent from the list, so I don’t think the edit changes the intent of your post significantly, and may even make your closing observation more telling.

    * Being an asshole and humiliating yourself is, unfortunately, common as dirt however regrettable.

  4. Squid Says:

    I have to agree with whomever it was who called the Gawker/Reddit war the Internet equivalent of the Iran/Iraq war — you really just want to see both sides beaten and exhausted. And as a bonus — way fewer civilian deaths in this one!

  5. LabRat Says:

    Will- I honestly don’t think the vast majority of the people I’ve seen articulating the argument have thought it through that far.

    In this particular example, no one’s actual rights have been violated, and none but a profoundly ignorant few have argued as such; it’s a very hot discussion about what should be considered acceptable within the realm of behavior on the internet and the kinds of social consequences that do or don’t flow from it.