More Adventures In Science And Religion

December 26, 2008 - 5:20 pm
Irradiated by LabRat
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Some experimental psychologists have done a study that leads to the truly shocking conclusion that a belief in the explanatory powers of science or the explanatory powers of God leads to more negative feelings about whatever the “opposite” explanation is. In other words, psychologists conclude that science and religion are fundamentally incompatible in the psyche. Oh no!

Well, they certainly are in the design of the experiment. Quoth the researcher:

“It seemed to me that both science and religion as systems were very good at explaining a lot, accounting for a lot of the information that we have in our environment,” she said. “But if they are both ultimate explanations, at some point they have to conflict with each another because they can’t possibly both explain everything.”

Science: you’re doin’ it wrong. Science DOESN’T “explain everything”. It’s not designed to. It’s a collection of methodology for the study of natural law, the underlying principles on which the universe runs. Science cannot do ANYTHING that falls outside this mission- science can tell you, to pick an incendiary example, when a fetus has a heartbeat or fingerprints or brain activity, but it can only be silent on when it becomes a person or whether it is wrong or right to kill it. There are certain people that certainly WISH it did, and ACT as though it did, but that does not make it so. You can do your level best to drive in a nail with a screwdriver, but that doesn’t make it a hammer. Likewise, science can never explain what makes one novel great and another trash, how to conduct your love life to the best benefit of yourself and your partner (if you want to take sex advice from science, try the deep-sea squid method and let me know how that works out for you), or what makes a kickass tune. Science can *inform* our understanding of subjects outside its purview- one example being whether sexuality is biologically determined or chosen and actively malleable, as that changes the exact moral landscape- but it can’t, ultimately, explain everything.

Religion can’t generally explain everything either, which is why we have science at all despite the vast majority of humans being religious for the vast majority of our history. There is no religious doctrine or document in the world that is of any sort of remote help in attempting to determine the optimum way to plow a field, construct a building, predict the weather, or generally do anything that requires more knowledge and planning than slopping together a clay pot. (Even then it is generally helpful to have some consistent body of knowledge on temperature control- take up potting for awhile and just see how intuitive it is.) Some anthropologists are even beginning to argue that monotheism was a necessary cultural precondition for science-as-we-know-it; once you have your epistemology narrowed down to ONE God instead of a bickering pack of them (or a nebulous array of spiritual forces), you can then reach the conclusion that this God does things in a certain consistent fashion- and that humans can work it out for themselves based on the world around them that said consistent God presumably created. Polytheist pantheons tend to micromanage- single creators tend to set it up and let it run with only occasional miraculous interventions to the natural order*.

The design of the experiment that inspired this round of carping on the subject was fundamentally this: the researchers would offer an explanation of some event or phenomenon in terms of “science”, or of the exact same thing in terms of “God”, and then measure the subjects’ warm or cool feelings toward words related to “God” or “science”. They found that the two classes of “explanation” were in direct opposition- of course they were, the design of the experiment makes sure of that. Science and religion do conflict when religion makes concrete claims about EXACTLY what happened exactly when, and then rules that the authority of the religious text depends upon this being literally true. (As for whether or not the ridiculously intelligent creator God can use metaphor or simplify things when talking to tribes that haven’t gotten around to metal yet, this is the point of major internal disagreement.) They also conflict when someone using science as a justification for a moral position they’ve taken asserts that science has a moral authority that overrides someone else’s sacred text’s opinion on the subject. However, there is absolutely nothing contradictory about believing God to be the author of natural law and natural law being a discoverable and understandable thing that reliably explains the way the universe works.

Both certain sorts of the religious and certain sorts of the aggressively secular would really like there to be a fundamental war between science and religion, because that implies the possibility that their own side may WIN someday and they’ll never have to deal with the smug assholes and their shit from the other side ever again. The secularists know that they have a massive advantage because their side has a rigorous, correctable, and testable method for understanding reality without any recourse to doctrinaire squabbling (or unchallengeable dogma) necessary. The religious know they have a massive advantage because their side offers a comprehensive structured system for negotiating human life that offers emotional and intellectual satisfaction for all those pressing questions for which science is limited or completely unsuited to address**. The real problem is that they’re both right, but admitting that would require a general restructuring of their entire worldviews- which would involve some very uncomfortable reassessments, like having to have real faith in their beliefs rather than faith that they can eventually PROVE all their beliefs objectively correct.

A few final quotes from the article:

Similarly, those who read the statement suggesting that the scientific theories were weak were extremely slow to identify negative words that appeared after they were primed with the word “God,” Preston said.

“It was like they didn’t want to say no to God,” she said.

Well, no, no they don’t. And as long as those advocating for science and against anti-intellectualism frame the debate as this being a necessary step to fully embracing science, they will always lose- most people believe, most people want to continue believing because it gives them so much structure, comfort, and guidance, and most people will choose that belief over what they imagine to be a chilly universe whose answers to the “big questions” boil down to “irrelevant”.

And, lastly, proving that they DO get it at least up to a point:

The most obvious implication of the research is that “to be compatible, science and religion need to stick to their own territories, their own explanatory space,” Preston said. “However, religion and science have never been able to do that, so to me this suggests that the debate is going to go on. It’s never going to be settled.”

Well, YES. For all the reasons I’ve outlined above. That doesn’t mean it’s remotely helpful to continue to frame the debate in those terms- to either side.

*Yes, I know, I’m generalizing like a madwoman. This is meant to represent the general trend of human myth and religious thought, especially in times that were very much pre-modern and in which science as we understand it now really did not exist. Pagans, Hindus, and Shintos, please don’t kill me.

**You may have noticed at this point that I’m making this point as an atheist. I merely don’t confuse science with philosophy and try to use the one as the other.

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  1. SmartDogs Says:

    If for no other reason than pure comedic value, you have to love a “study” that sets its findings firmly in concrete during the design phase.

    I see a lot of that sort of thing in much of the distorted crap that masquerades as the “science of dog training” published as non-peer-reviewed infotainment in the US today. Thank God for the Eastern Europeans who have managed to find a way to study canine behavior in systematic, scientific - and immensely interesting - ways.

  2. LabRat Says:

    Hmmm, I wonder if you might have a certain “groundbreaking” study in mind that “proves” dogs get jealous- or that dogs that work for cookies won’t necessarily work for no cookies, whichever.

    I had wondered at what point the epicenter of research into canine cognition became Hungary…

  3. SmartDogs Says:

    knjhgdfzl; ksagdfsal;jk [whacks head on laptop]

    Sadly I have so many examples of crap widely cited as irrefutable science that I would not even know where to start in providing examples (though the non-science piece on doggy jealousy is a good one). Many are just opinion pieces and huge numbers base their “findings” on one or two cute and/or heart-warming anecdotes. They play well to the emotional side of the public at large and then propagate like memes.

    I should look into when things in Hungary first blossomed. It would be interesting if the timing coincided with the anointing of St. Jean of the Captive Porpoises as the oracle of all politically correct canine knowledge here in the States…

  4. ~Paules Says:

    My theory is that God blew himself up when he detonated the Big Bang. It’s lonely being a singularity locked in a timeless void, so he decided to experience Himself manifest in time and space. He created natural law to ensure all the pieces would eventually come together again. He might be a bit daft, but He is not suicidal.

    How do I know this? I drink heavily and have conversations with inanimate objects. Just the other day I was attempting to hose the garden to make room in my cistern for the expected snowmelt. It happened that no matter where or how I moved, the hose managed to find a way to get itself tangled. I cursed and went inside to pour myself another drink. The libation tweaked my sodden brain to a sudden epiphany.

    I went outside and yelled at the hose, “why the fuck do you always get tangled?”

    My garden hose answered in the Voice of God, a sound like Jack Daniels Sr. gargling with nails before breakfast, “because you fail to apply the mental energy that might keep me straight.”

    “Say whah?” I hate it when the Lord of the Universe arrives unbidden. Moses had his burning bush; I get a garden hose.

    The voice continued: “The universe would be a constant churn of chaos without order unless imposed by My superior Mind and Will. Natural Law exists because I created it. Not only order, but also purpose.” Then He quit the conversation without even offering to buy me a drink. God is a cheapskate.

    I took out my Buck and slashed the garden hose to ribbons. I yelled at the heavens, “YOU are an asshole.”

    The stars answered, “no, you’re the asshole. Earth is the asshole of the universe.”

    I find it hard to counter that argument. We are all of us assholes. But we are the collective asshole of God. In that I find perverse comfort.

    My mind wanders . . .

  5. Richard Bruns Says:

    Another excellent post.

    Do you know of the new blog ‘Secular Right’ (secularright.org)? They discuss some of these same issues, but not as well as you. Maybe you can manage to become one of their authors and improve the place; they have gotten a fair amount of publicity and it would be nice if more people read these posts.

  6. bluntobject Says:

    Fuck yeah!

    I despise this sort of “science vs. religion: which one’s capital-r Right?” debate. They serve different purposes, neither one of which is to make people feel good; it’s like asking whether a hammer or a crosscut saw is the best tool with which to weld aluminum.

  7. Kristopher Says:

    Errmmm … you can make a good argument that inflicting monotheism on the greco-roman culture set us back over a thousand years … and that the Pythagorean’s mysticism was good for another thousand years of damage.

  8. karrde Says:

    Strange…if I close my eyes, and repeat certain phrases from this article, I can imagine the same ideas coming forth from the pen of a Catholic scholar I’ve read somewhere.

    Admittedly, said Catholic scholar has the vocabulary and word-usage patterns of a priest, not a scientist.

    But the ideas are the same. That is, the constructs called “science” and “religion” can behave as complementary halves or competing ideologies depending on the observer; a person needs to be careful not to confuse philosophical attitudes with scientific data.

  9. Peter Says:

    Bravo, Labrat! Succinctly and very well put. I’m a ‘religious person’ (with a small ‘r’), but can find nothing to fault in your analysis. Y’know, if atheists like you and believers like me can get along this well (in the blog world, at least), one wonders why more of our respective ilks (is that a word?) can’t do the same in the wider community.

    (Hey, should we form an ‘Ilks Lodge’? They already have the Elks!)

    ;-)

  10. pax Says:

    karrde ~

    I just logged in to say pretty much the same thing. GK Chesterton, actually:

    Unfortunately, 19th century scientists were just as ready to jump to the conclusion that any guess about nature was an obvious fact, as were 17th century sectarians to jump to the conclusion that any guess about Scripture was the obvious explanation . . . . and this clumsy collision of two very impatient forms of ignorance was known as the quarrel of Science and Religion. — G K Chesterton

    Good article.

  11. LabRat Says:

    Smartdogs- I would not be at all surprised, myself.

    Paules- That was freakin’ hilarious, whiskey-inspired or no.

    Richard: While I’m very flattered, looking at their blogger list… John Derbyshire and Heather MacDonald? I’m not even C-list compared to them- more like Z. In this case, I think it’s a matter of “who you know”…

    Blunt: that phrasing is WONDERFUL and I beg forgiveness if I wind up stealing it at some point.

    Kristopher: Yep. Whoever said the results of a powerful influence are unmixed? The Greeks, however, definitely did not have anything like science-as-we-know-it, as good as they were; for both the Greeks and many generations after them, even questioning Aristotle was intellectual heresy.

    Karrde and Pax: I can’t say as I’ve never read any of those Catholic scribes of whom you speak.

    Peter: I like the idea of an Ilks’ Lodge quite a bit…

  12. MarkHB Says:

    ~Paules, you are my hero and I admire you. From far, far away. ;)

    I know there’s a really insightful parallel between science as pure Libertarianism with the various organised religions being different more-or-less repressive political doctrines. However, as I can’t take religion seriously enough to spend that kinda time on it, I shan’t be doing the research and cleverness. Too busy working on the showreel.